Just read a comment by Joyce regarding her elders. I wanted to give an experience as me and my wife are toughen things out her in San Cristabol Mexico. We received a pdf from an elder basically stating that we must be obedient to the local governments and if they say take the Vax we have to take the Vax. All of this demonic activity is very difficult to deal with. I pray for everyone dealling with the same issues. The other part of this concerns my loyalty to Jehovah and Jesus. I've been o... moreJust read a comment by Joyce regarding her elders. I wanted to give an experience as me and my wife are toughen things out her in San Cristabol Mexico. We received a pdf from an elder basically stating that we must be obedient to the local governments and if they say take the Vax we have to take the Vax. All of this demonic activity is very difficult to deal with. I pray for everyone dealling with the same issues. The other part of this concerns my loyalty to Jehovah and Jesus. I've been out twice in the ministry. Since we could go back. As I'm finishing up my ministry. I received a phone call from an elder asking if I still had problems with watchtower publications and giving my loyalty to "the governing body". Or had I moved on. I spoke the truth and stated my claim, as I had been doing for the last few years. I told the brother I will not meet with the Elder Body or the C.O. for if they couldn't answer my questions about watchtower teachings and the false doctrines of men the organization uses a few years ago. Then what was the point in meeting now? I was asked if my allegence was with the GB and would I continue giving them my loyalty. I stated my loyalty is to God and the christ. They really didn't like that. So here in a few days I will know if I'm going to be ex communicated or not. Since I've been baptized 12/1/12. I've been fighting for truth and it's only gotten harder. In my case if I'm ex communicated for standing up for biblical truth. I can hold my head high and know I've made my heavenly father and his son proud. Be happy when they persecute for my name sake. This war is only getting harder. If you're disfellowshipped keep fighting and continue spreading the truth we were given to tell this darkened world. I will pray for all of you that you keep fighting.
Sarah https://youtu.be/76h40ElSzAw I found this video helpful. Obviously things have changed since it first came out, there will be a time to leave in the future
After much in depth research. I've come to the conclusion I will not be using the new world translation when I preach based on a few factors such as : the legal battle the watchtowers in regarding the 3rd party that was outsourced to complete the book and a man by the name of Johannes Greber who's wife was a spirit medium, also had a hand with the nwt. I'm using the NASB I've done my research and it's been agreed apon by many biblical scholars as one of the best word for word translations. I'... moreAfter much in depth research. I've come to the conclusion I will not be using the new world translation when I preach based on a few factors such as : the legal battle the watchtowers in regarding the 3rd party that was outsourced to complete the book and a man by the name of Johannes Greber who's wife was a spirit medium, also had a hand with the nwt. I'm using the NASB I've done my research and it's been agreed apon by many biblical scholars as one of the best word for word translations. I'm in the process of coming up with some letters that state positive benefits from the bible and give them out. After reading false claims in the watchtower and awake I've realized that I can no longer peddle these magazines. I ended up finding out in the watchtower where they claim Jesus isn't the mediator between God and men. It's now the annoited class and those serving on the governing body. So I'm staying away from what these false mean propagate. I hope everyone is staying strong 💪!
JohnThe New World Translation is the only bible that bears the name of Jehovah nearly 7,000 times so Jehovah must have taken care of it no matter who translated it. Let's not forget that Paul, the most prolific New Testament writer, who as a Pharisee, had previously assented to the killing of his fellow Jews. The NWT has been translated with all good intentions and has been meticulously translated albeit still imperfectly done which is not a surprise in this wicked world. It's still make sense to be... moreThe New World Translation is the only bible that bears the name of Jehovah nearly 7,000 times so Jehovah must have taken care of it no matter who translated it. Let's not forget that Paul, the most prolific New Testament writer, who as a Pharisee, had previously assented to the killing of his fellow Jews. The NWT has been translated with all good intentions and has been meticulously translated albeit still imperfectly done which is not a surprise in this wicked world. It's still make sense to better use the NWT than other translations in my opinion.
Favorite part of the convention so far.....Stephen Lett says "Babies are an enemy of God". Defenition of an enemy -a person who is actively opposed or hostile to someone or something. Not sure how a baby is actively hostile or opposing God. Maybe we will find out soon...🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
AdminDefinition of cult:
"A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object" You could say that the Catholic Church is a Cult as the Pope is given huge Veneration. I have to admit that the "Faithful and discreet slave" is often given more veneration than Christ himself. A recent Watchtower article never mentioned Jesus name once, yet the FDS was mentioned. To be honest I don't let the term cult really bother me, it's what they're accused of thats more import... moreDefinition of cult:
"A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object" You could say that the Catholic Church is a Cult as the Pope is given huge Veneration. I have to admit that the "Faithful and discreet slave" is often given more veneration than Christ himself. A recent Watchtower article never mentioned Jesus name once, yet the FDS was mentioned. To be honest I don't let the term cult really bother me, it's what they're accused of thats more important, maybe if they had addressed the paedophiles issue correctly from the start, along with the shunning of even some sexually abused victims, the term Cult being applied to them wouldn't have stuck.
But when they cling to a "two witness rule" which only helps the perpetrator and was requested to be removed at the order of the judge, the Faithful and Discreet Slave refused, is it any wonder anger flares for the injustices seen? we definitely don't make it easy on ourselves.
So tonight was our first meeting back in the hall(my wife and I stayed at home and participated via zoom) with these restrictions. No one over 60 years of age can attend in the kingdom hall, mandatory mask wearing at all times no exceptions, temperature check and if you're over the temp you are asked to leave, and seats are spaces 1.5 meters apart. A sister on zoom was crying her eyes out because she was over 60 and not allowed to attend even though she's had all the vaccine shots. Here's the... moreSo tonight was our first meeting back in the hall(my wife and I stayed at home and participated via zoom) with these restrictions. No one over 60 years of age can attend in the kingdom hall, mandatory mask wearing at all times no exceptions, temperature check and if you're over the temp you are asked to leave, and seats are spaces 1.5 meters apart. A sister on zoom was crying her eyes out because she was over 60 and not allowed to attend even though she's had all the vaccine shots. Here's the crazy part, we we're told all these precautions are in respect for life. Yet my wife just showed me photos of everyone who was at the meeting in person. Eating together at different restaurants mask free. The hypocrisy is pushing me past my peaceful limits. These acts are hurting people who did everything they were told to by the governing body. To be safe, taking all the vaccines never questioning why and now they feel like they're are being punished. Whats worse is we have a group chat and the brothers and sisters are all talking about how great it's going to be
and sharing fellowship with those in the congregation, but only if you're vaccinated. This breaks my heart and these types of behaviors have to stop.
Susan Adams
Well if no over 60s were allowed in our hall there would only be one elder to cover everything!!!!
We don’t wish to return anyway….
Rev 18:4 is aimed at those who truly are listening to Jehovah.
As he states “MY PEOPLE”
I used to believe that this was "THE TRUTH". During the pandemic I decided to sharpen my skills in the ministry by going back and making sure I could answer any objections someone might have in the ministry about our "truths from the bible", so I could be as successful as possible. What I came to find, were many false doctrines and when I brought biblical proof to the attention of over 15 elders I know and my CO. I was told no one could answer my questions. I was told, I was an apostate becaus... moreI used to believe that this was "THE TRUTH". During the pandemic I decided to sharpen my skills in the ministry by going back and making sure I could answer any objections someone might have in the ministry about our "truths from the bible", so I could be as successful as possible. What I came to find, were many false doctrines and when I brought biblical proof to the attention of over 15 elders I know and my CO. I was told no one could answer my questions. I was told, I was an apostate because I had proof that some teachings were made up. For those that love God and his son and are on the side of truth. Your life is going to be extremely difficult. I always remember , 2 timothy 4 - 3For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories. 5 You, though, keep your senses in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry. It's no longer about truth, but about what makes you feel good inside. Everyone I know in this organization tells me if there are false teachings Jehovah will set it right. When I tell them Jehovah has set it right by giving us the Bible or our field guide as Christians. They no longer want to discuss things anymore. I blame the new light teaching. Which has nothing to do with continually changing beliefs. A truth will never have to be changed. I beg any of you willing to listen. If you're going to say you have the truth. Then it has to be truth from the Bible, not opinions or what you want it to say. Only truth. I pray all of you shine as bright as possible.
PetalI have noticed in recent years that many in the organisation give more heed to what the GB has to say than to what is in the Bible. I saw this could be a problem when the GB were made into TV stars with JW Broadcasting but when I pointed it out I was told "that will never happen!" Now I hear of different ones in the congregations saying how they prefer this GB member to that one. They feel that through the continual updates and broadcasts they are getting to know each man well. Of course a broa... moreI have noticed in recent years that many in the organisation give more heed to what the GB has to say than to what is in the Bible. I saw this could be a problem when the GB were made into TV stars with JW Broadcasting but when I pointed it out I was told "that will never happen!" Now I hear of different ones in the congregations saying how they prefer this GB member to that one. They feel that through the continual updates and broadcasts they are getting to know each man well. Of course a broadcast will only show a public persona.
"For some from the house of Chloe have informed me regarding you, my brothers, that there are dissensions among you. What I mean is this, that each one of you says: “I belong to Paul,” “but I to Apollos,” “but I to Cephas,” “but I to Christ.” (1 Cor 1:11-12).
My wife just received this from an Elders wife. The names have been removed but it's 2 Elders wives that have put this together. The reason I mention Elders wives is to put emphasis on the fact this was thought out. Meaning the Elder body is aware of this and approved it. With that being said let the divisons begin!! What do you guys think?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Susan Adams
Another thought!!! What about ones who cannot afford to go possibly due to losing their job for standing up for Jehovah’s principles on life etc!!!
This is insulting on every level 😳
I brought this subject up to those in high places. I then played the video of Steven Lett stating, " that Jehovah's organization protects little ones from pedophiles." I was told that by looking at these things that I was judging imperfect men and looking down on Jehovah's organization. Just a side note. There's a big difference between I'm imperfect and just said or reacted qu... morehttps://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-jehovahs-witness-database-of-child-molesters/584311/
I brought this subject up to those in high places. I then played the video of Steven Lett stating, " that Jehovah's organization protects little ones from pedophiles." I was told that by looking at these things that I was judging imperfect men and looking down on Jehovah's organization. Just a side note. There's a big difference between I'm imperfect and just said or reacted quickly and made a mistake. To methodically spending relentless hours hiding and protecting abusers. I've been studying lately the scriptures that the organization uses in disfellowshipping people. Here we have Matthew 18:15 -17. Matthew 18:15-17
[15]"If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
[16]But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed.
[17]If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
I was astonished what I read in verse 17. If someone had a pedophile problem or another such problem and he brought it before everyone in the congregation. They could help that brother or sister. In the fight against their sin. Protecting those in the congregation. These kinds of people that are doing these horrible things. Are running Jehovah's name in the mud. What a sad state of affairs.
AdminIt’s a difficult subject to have to deal with, especially as they’re are individuals in this group who have undergone the same injustices. When I first mentioned about the Australian Royal Commission all those years ago, I was called a liar and certain brothers tried to destroy my Facebook group, saying that it was all apostate lies, that our brothers would never do such things let alone withhold information. Sadly it has brought reproach on Jehovahs name, as we were spending I think 4,000 dolla... moreIt’s a difficult subject to have to deal with, especially as they’re are individuals in this group who have undergone the same injustices. When I first mentioned about the Australian Royal Commission all those years ago, I was called a liar and certain brothers tried to destroy my Facebook group, saying that it was all apostate lies, that our brothers would never do such things let alone withhold information. Sadly it has brought reproach on Jehovahs name, as we were spending I think 4,000 dollars a day of our brothers donations to not hand over the files containing these pedophiles. Not a year goes by without more cases coming to light and what makes it worse is that theres never been any real apology from the organisation, they still insist on keeping the two witnesses rule, it should never had been applied in this situation, even a lawyer at the Australian Royal Commission showed a scripture referring to a girl who had been raped in a field, who didn’t need two witnesses to be believed but we chose to ignore it. Many children who could not find two witnesses, were never believed, some cross examined by the elder or father who sexually abused them. Some of these have fallen away from the organisation, these are amongst the scattered sheep which Jehovah will want an accounting for, Ezekiel 34 speaks about those who were pushed out on the flank and become food for the wolves. This is amongst the things which cause sighing and groaning, trying to protect Jehovahs name has instead brought serious reproach, because the scriptures say at
Isaiah 29:15
“Woe to those who go to great lengths to conceal their plans from Jehovah. Their deeds are done in a dark place, While they say: “Who sees us? Who knows about us?”
Jehovah will roar and its at the entrance of his temple that his judgement will start, he will not allow his name to be profaned any longer, we just have to have faith and rely on Jehovah, he is a God of Justice all is coming to light.
Ezekiel 34:15
15 “I myself will feed my sheep, and I myself will make them lie down,”declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. 16 “The lost one I will search for, the stray I will bring back, the injured I will bandage, and the weak I will strengthen; but the fat one and the strong one I will annihilate. I will feed that one with judgment.”
17 “‘As for you, my sheep, this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “I am about to judge between one sheep and another sheep, between the rams and the male goats”
So as we see Jehovah will not be late, he will bring justice while vindicating his Holy name.
